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Teen Party Patrol

By Julie Shea
Saturday, Apr 4 2009, 09:58 AM

Have you all seen the article by Mark Schaaf about  WAPDs plan to bust underage drinking parties? The program was introduced Tuesday, April 2 at the Spring Into Action event. I missed the event, so my information comes soley from Schaaf's article. If any of you attended, I'd love to hear your opinions about the program.

While I applaud the effort to keep underage drinking parties under control, it saddens me that the police end up trying to control something that parents should be handling.  Maybe it was because I wasn't part of the cool crowd in high school, but my parents taught me right from wrong and put house rules in place that, if violated, at least cost us our freedom for a few weeks. I understand times were different 25 years ago when I was 15, but why does it have to be?  Why can't the values we were raised with be taught to our children? Were our parents' ways really that bad?  When you think about all the teens who die in car wrecks caused by alcohol, the school shootings, the gang crimes...I don't remember having near the problems with these things when we were kids.  Police didn't need to "have a presence" at our school and the worst school violence we saw was a fist fight. The "bad" kids were out smoking behind the building, not killing each other because they disagreed.

There were probably always kids stealing a beer or bottle of vodka from their parents, but it was never so large an issue that we had to receive state grant money to have the police department investing valuable resources to continually drive by a home that is suspected of being the site of the next kegger.

Which brings me back to the new PARTY Patrol. Right off the bat, I've got to ask the question.  Don't you think that kids are smart enough to quickly reschedule a party to a new location if they come home from school to see the PARTY sign in their front lawn? If they were sneaky enough to plan the party in the first place, don't you think they can just as easily make a quick location change?  Or, have a Plan B in place to begin with?  The signs would seem to work against the program, not for it.  It would seem to make more sense to keep the phone call to the parents, but to do it covertly.  The sign gives the kids plenty of advanced notice that their party has been "found out" and they can easily plan a new location on the fly. Instead of signs, why not just use the information gained and show up at the party unannounced? 

I also doubted the reliability of expecting kids to tattle on each other by having them call Crime Stoppers or see the police liason in their school to help officers locate parties.  I was surprised to learn it's worked well for getting a handle on marijuana possession.  That tells me some of you are still raising your kids the way we were raised.  Good for you.

I worry about kids today.  I don't think I could ever exist in an educational environment where the police had to be called because a gang was collecting outside a school dance.  I couldn't go through metal detectors so I could get to English class.  I couldn't begin to imagine what it must feel like to have a gunman inside your school. 

I realize there isn't an easy answer for all the trouble in schools today, but I'm a firm believer that the responsibilty and punishment we hated as kids is what helped to keep us safe.  We learned discipline we've needed for our adult lives to be successful in our careers, we learned respect for others, and we learned how to lose gracefully. These days, we have parents yelling at teachers because their kids "would never do such a thing."  Open your eyes and see what's happening in front of you. No one is perfect, not me, not you and not your kids.  They need your guidance and love to navigate this world that is more scary than anything we grew up in. Teachers and police should be the back up team to help you, but they shouldn't be relied upon to do the whole job.  Stand united with them.  My parents always took the teacher's word over me and my brother's protests.  Very few teachers are out to get your child and if they are telling you something happened, it did.  Kids will try and lie to your face to get off the hook (we always did). Be strong...eventually the truth will come out and you'll be thanking the teacher or officer for helping you catch something before it becomes a problem.   

It's sad the PARTY Patrol program is even necessary.      

Comments

Laura Beyer   

Hey Julie,

I agree with your entire article.  Why doesn't the PARTY patrol set off fireworks like the 4th of July in front of the home where the suspected party is going to be?  It's the same nonsense as putting up a sign.  Kids today are smart enough to have parties without getting caught.  Some parents even throw the parties for their own kids, supply the alcohol and assume it's "ok" because it's in their home.  

Overindulgence is on the out because we are losing our jobs and can no longer afford to spoil our children.  It's time parents quit trying to be their kids best pals and set some boundaries.   We have laws for a reason.  If your children are not 21, do not allow them to drink in your home.  If you worry about alcohol within your home, lock it up.  It's a no-brainer.

April 4, 2009 6:39 PM

travler   

The police are doing a great favor for parents and the kids. With the Spring and Summer coming up underage drinking is a given I know many parents that are willing to buy their kids beer if they stay home and drink it instead of going out getting into trouble and driving. Also how much does a under age drinking ticket cost? plus any related charges, distrubing the peace, obstrution of justice, two or three of those charges will wreck anybodys summer. You also have to remember that these kids are brought up around booze, when was the last time you walked into someones house and the first thing that was offered was food and a beer.

April 5, 2009 3:17 PM

STUBBORNOLDMAN   

I wonder if this is the WAPD's attempt at solving a problem by 'shaming' the homeowners/parents of the kid(s) throwing the party.  You may remember some stories in the past where some city newspapers published the names of men arrested for solicitation of prostitution.  Putting the PARTY signs in front of houses might be a way for the WAPD to make neighbors watch that particular house more closely.  It seems like a fairly low-cost approach to attempt to improve the neighborhoods.  I don't know if it'll work, but it's worth a shot (I know, horrible pun).

I wished there would have been something like this in effect when I had that drughouse next to me a few years ago.  It would have probably caused more neighbors of mine to watch that house more closely than the WAPD were able to watch it.  That's not to say that the WAPD is the ONLY agency who can put these types of signs up on properties.  Feel free to put up your own similar sign (drughouse or partyhouse) on the 'public' land in front of the property after dark.  Nobody will see you do it, and you will certainly get the attention of your law-abiding neighbors.  Man, I wished I would have thought of that brilliant idea back when I had that problem.  Hindsight's 20/20 I guess.

April 6, 2009 12:19 PM

Wez   

Didn't anybody think that kids will have parties when parents are gone for the evening or out of town?  Then if I sign pops up in their yard, the kids will kind of have a second chance to think their actions through and ask if an underage drinking ticket is really worth it.  

It's going to be a lot of work for the cops to issue all those tickets and maybe feel some will be smart and make the right decision.

April 6, 2009 3:43 PM

Julie Shea   

I guess I'm kind of falling into the Wait and See camp...I'm interested in seeing how it plays out and if it is ultimately helpful.  

Travler -- but will the kids worry that much about a ticket? Kids are famous for their "it won't happen to me" mindset.  Maybe after one of their friends gets a ticket, they might think twice.  I don't know how much they are either -- any WAPD out there who can give us some insight into the ticket price for underage drinking?

Stubborn -- It could maybe work as a shaming device. It is worth giving a try.

Did you all take a look at the survey about this on the Westallisnow.com home page?  60% of the 578 people who responded to the survey so far believe this won't work.

I also received an email with a link to our very own police chief on national TV talking about the program.  I'll attach the link below, but he said in 3 years, they ticketed 1000 kids at 335 different parties. That's 1 kid per day each of those years.  That seems like an awful lot -- no word on whether some of the 1000 tickets were repeat offenders or not.

www.foxnews.com/.../index.html

April 7, 2009 7:57 AM

cmporterfield   

I think Stubborn is right.  It's a creative way to approach the problem.  It involves not only the consciences (or fear of consequences) of the students involved, but also fosters public collaboration between parents, neighbors and police.

I like the idea, and am curious to see how successful it will be.

Also, I hope that all of you civic-minded individuals remember to elect your officials today.  I was number 11 at my polling place after being open an hour and a half already.

April 7, 2009 11:01 AM

Laura Beyer   

Regarding the fact that the police and Party Patrol are relying on kids to "out" whomever is having a party....  Remember when we were kids, there were parties (not all of them alcohol) and someone was left out?  Now the left out kid gets the chance to make up a story about a party to "get back" at those that wronged him?  What happens when a party is reported and it is a false allegation?  I would be ticked if some classmate of my daughter reported us having a party, someone show up with a sign, knowing full well we never have parties to begin with.  What recourse would I have as an innocent parent?  

My daughters have had friends over to watch movies, etc, and there was no alcohol involved.  They just wanted a place to hang out where they could talk, listen to music, watch movies and be themselves.  

If you see a party happening next door and it's that much of a nuisance, do what we have done for the last century, call the police.  

April 8, 2009 6:39 AM

average citizen   

At least the city is trying to do something about the alcohol culture we have in West Alliis. Remember, once people drink (of any age), they somtimes drive a vehicle afterward. This of course affects the rest of us. Whether this idea works or not, we need to continue finding ways to stop the irresponsible drinkers. Our state representatives for the most part are ignoring the problem, thanks in large part to apathetic citizens.

April 17, 2009 12:23 PM

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About Julie Shea

A lifelong Milwaukee area resident, Julie is a freelance writer who lives in West Allis with her husband and two cats.

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